Vilcabamba Ecuador - Opinions, opinions ...

Vilcabamba is a village in the southern region of Ecuador, in the Loja province, about 45 km from the city of Loja.  The valley of Vilcabamba is overlooked by a mountain called Mandango, the Sleeping Inca, whose presence is said to protect the area from earthquakes and other natural disasters.

The destination is a common one for tourists, in part because it is widely believed that its inhabitants grow to a very old age.  Locals assert that it is not uncommon to see a person reach 100 years of age and it is claimed that many have gotten to the ripe old age of 120.  That is why it is often called “The Valley of Longevity”.

For more information you can check it out at Wikipedia.

A few weeks ago we decided to take a few days off and drive to Vilcabamba because we had not been there yet and wanted to look at a couple of properties. John started writing to two guys in Vilcabamba more than 12 years ago. That is how he first started to learn about this great country. The great thing about Ecuador is that we mostly do not have to stop and think about finances. We can just up and do it because the price of travelling, accommodation and food is so inexpensive.

The valley of Vilcabamba has been reputed for its ideal climate and as a place of longevity.  Vilcabamba is one of the few reputed longevity centers of the world.  We saw some old people but certainly did not know their ages.  Different scientists have said that the longevity is attributable to the ionization in the air and the mineralized water that the people drink. But it could also be that the people tend to be more relaxed than in the larger cities. The land and vegetation is lush so no-one goes hungry.

We hired a friend’s Hyundai Tuscon and off we went early on Friday morning.  It is still a beautiful site to drive through the many mountains we have here in Ecuador.  The asphalt roads along most of the way have now been replaced with concrete.  Some parts are still under construction and sometimes you have to wait for up to 30 minutes to let traffic come through from the other side of the road. The concrete should be completely completed within the next 12-18 months. The drive from Cuenca to Loja will then be much faster.

At these road stops there are always vendors who have made makeshift stores on the side of the road.  From little gas burners they send family members to sell cooked corn on the cob and other food and drinks to the travelers.  I said to John what would be fantastic was if they had a good coffee machine and come around and sell coffee to us. John’s reply was that it would only be me who was after the coffee.  There are few places in the smaller towns where you can buy a good coffee.

 Whilst at one stop I was watching an older indigenous person with his donkey.  The donkey was laden with bricks and the old man was unloading onto a verandah.  He was continually talking to the donkey and it seemed at times he was growling.  I wound down the window to take a photo.  After he had finished unloading the very strong little old man turned around and gave me “the finger”.  Shock, horror………………I don’t know if he was angry that I took his photo or annoyed with the large traffic hold up and probably many people watching him.  Quite funny really.  I certainly had no intention of upsetting him.

As we drove up to the top of the mountain I noticed the different dress of the indigenous people.  Most are dressed in black and the men wear three quarter pants.  I was later told that these are people that many years ago fled from Bolivia and settled in this particular area.

The people here seem very happy……………oh with exception to the old man and donkey.  There are crops in the fields and on the side of mountains where you and I probably would feel that we are going to fall down.  I saw women milking cows and then strapping big milk containers to their backs and walking up to their homes along the side of these mountains, talking and laughing.

 John let me drive for awhile while he had a sleep. I have not driven for months so I thoroughly enjoyed it.  It takes a little bit of getting used to because I am not familiar with driving on the “wrong side of the road”.  But it did give me a sense of independence and freedom.  Funny how driving a car can give you that freedom feeling. I passed a young woman on a horse with the tiniest baby strapped to her back.  She probably has the same sense of freedom as I do when I drive.
We stopped in Loja for a late lunch.  Although it was not a long stop we observed that it seemed like quite a busy city.  Then we went on for another 40 minutes to Vilcabamba, and quickly found our way to the town square.  The town is quite small, but is definitely not a one horse, one car town.  The city square is filled with some amazing characters from different parts of the world that have now relocated and live here in this wonderful valley. You can also choose from a wide variety of different restaurants.
 
You will always find an expat or two or three in the town square at most times of the day.  As I said above there are some amazing characters in this part of the world. Some reminded me of different characters in movies I have seen.
We stayed in a B & B called “Montesuenos” (Mountain Dreams) which is owned and operated by author/scientist/ex-astronaut Brian O’Leary and his wife, visionary artist Meredith Miller.  They have created a wonderful mountain top retreat.  They moved to Vilcabamba in 2004 and have created a very creative place to stay.  The gardens are an extravaganza of floral and greenery

We met some other guests who were also most entertaining and we quickly became good friends. One even travelled back to Cuenca with us, and then took a drive down to Ayampe with John. Both these guests have now returned to their homes (UK and USA), with full intention of completely selling up and returning to Ecuador as soon as possible.

 Another friend who we met last September in Cotacachi, has since purchased a large block of land very close to Vilcabamba.  He has just returned back to Ecuador with his family after relocating from New Zealand.

As it turned out these NZ friends were renting a home just down the bottom of the mountain from where we were staying.  The next morning whilst enjoying our fresh coffee and enjoying the view and company our friend Pierre came knocking on the door.  The next day he met us in the square and we all went and checked out his property.

It is a very beautiful block of land and extremely lush.  The property is fronted by a beautiful river which looks extremely clean and refreshing.  We walked up the property to one of two homes.  The first home was built around 50 years ago and obviously someones pride and joy at one stage.  Now it has been left abandoned we could still see the remains of the previous tenants.  It’s incredible to find that in this somewhat remote part of the country even Avon cosmetics comes calling. There was an Avon booklet on an old table.

Pierre walked us to the now overgrown vegetable plot which had an abundance of plants.  There is a coffee plantation, bananas, orange trees, papayas and so much more.  Cauliflowers that had now gone to seed, cabbages and great fresh runner beans.

John and I left the group to walk the rest of the property, which by the way was all uphill. I did not have proper walking shoes on.  Well that’s my excuse.

Contact Pierre about his beautiful property  for sale in Vilcabamba

I think for us John summed it up in one paragraph he wrote to a reader recently.

“I loved Vilcabamba. It has a great community feeling about it and there are many expats there – some for over 20 years. The town center is fantastic as a social area – better than both Cuenca or Cotacachi. If I was going to live in a rural retreat area in Ecuador, it would be Vilcabamba. I have lived in remote areas of Australia and this community runs rings around any of those places I have lived in. But it is not vibrant enough for us at this stage of our lives. Some land prices are incredibly high in different estates compared with other parts of Ecuador. “

John says above that he loved Vilcabamba. I thought it was very beautiful but I can’t say I fell in love with it. We will definitely go back for a visit but personally I would not go and live there.

We are probably going to be spending more time on the coast as the Ayampe development takes shape.

We both love the coast and are looking forward to dividing time between the coast and Cuenca.

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Now back to that wonderful topic you just mentioned. Coffee!
 
Group - it has been my pleasure to sample coffees from all over the world. Thanks in part to Starbucks and other major chains, as well as travelling across 8 countries and 2 continents. I have lived most of my life drinking the commercially available excuse for Columbian fresh ground coffee.
 
So now I wish to offer up my opinion on coffee within Ecuador. First off, I am appauled by Nescafe. Instant coffee is so commonly found in restaurants throughout Ecuador. However, for those of you that truly enjoy a fresh cup of home brewed heaven (I drink mine black, so flavor is very important to me), two regions here in Ecuador grown, roast, and distribute coffee that is far better than 90% of the coffees I have ever had. And most importantly, it is cheap. But it will not be found in grocery stores or Supermaxi.
 
The first is in Loja. The province of Loja produces coffee. There is a coffee mill (cafe piladora) on the road from Loja to Vilcabamba. It is a coop and unless they are rocessing, it appears to be closed. I was able to buy Loja coffee in small brown bags from the Panaderias (bakeries) in Loja. If you happen to be on the main road near the central produce market, there is a small bakery where you can buy this coffee and they have the most excellent cheese bread. Its about the size of a football.
 
Secondly, Jipijapa. The Manabi was once the largest coffee producing region of Ecuador until 'big name coffee companies' attempted to control costs. Much of the coffee producing areas were bankrupted as they lost contracts. Then there was a drought that all but destroyed the coffee industry in this region. Recently, however, coffee production has seen some increases. Jipijapa has several coop piladoras and roasters.
 
Now for the best part. I have a local friend here that is a native to Puerto Lopez that buys his coffee exclusively from one of the piladoras. Last week, I purchased 2 pounds of fresh ground coffee from Jipijapa for $5. That price included the bus fare for my personal shopper from Pueto Lopez to Jipijapa and back to Puerto Lopez and his time for making the trip.
 
Having purchased a Mr. Coffee for $65 at Megamaxi, I now wake every morning to my fresh brewed mug of joy and lounge on the terrace overlooking the harbor until lunchtime. (That is if we have electricty)
 
p.s. For those of you that know what real cream is, it is not a non-dairy or milky gray substance. It is a thick cream, and according to those whom drink cream in their coffee, there is nothing better. Fortunately, it is widely available here as well.
 
Scott

There seems to be great contention amongst the real estate people in Vilcabamba, mainly because some honest realtors came in and offered to do a free appraisal for free of any real estate that anyone is interested in.  This means that the predatory people who are not registered realtors are losing their huge profits that come from gouging new people who often make impulse buys. This is where the contention comes in. If you can screw one or two people a year for six figures, you can do quite well, and these people resent their gravy train getting derailed.

The other thing is that Vilca is a small town, and it seems like everyone here chooses at least one person that they decide not to like, and then talk derogatory about that person every chance they get. So eventually, if you hang around long enough, you will hear some dirt on about everybody, whether it is true or not.  We have been here for four months, and I am sure you can hear some stories about us by now too.

My wife and I decided early on that we simply were going to like everyone here. We have a great time, have lots of friends and life is good.  We bought our property through a realtor, had excellent service, used the lawyer they recommended, and everything went without a hitch. There was a creepy feeling for a few days wiring six figure money to a lawyer's trust account to finish the deal, someone we had only known for a few weeks.  Not to fear, he showed me my money listed among the other (unidentified) transactions of his trust account, and my little sum was quite paltry in the whole scheme of things.

Expats here have a habit of asking how much you paid for something, and then telling you a story about how they or someone else got it cheaper.  To me, I find this as intolerable as the gossip and do not put up with this kind of talk.  If someone purchased something and felt it was worth what they paid for, then as far as I am concerned I should be glad that they found what they wanted.  This lowballing talk is quite offensive, and in the US we would never tolerate casual acquaintances commenting on our financial affairs.

Vilcabamba is a quiet place and quite rural.  Its like the gatekeeper said, what were the people like where you came from? You will find the same thing here until you decompress enough and stop looking for it.

I recently heard a talk by someone who is doing multiple community projects with local people. She pointed out that most americans are transaction oriented.  Here in Ecuador, people are relationship oriented.  If you can give up your desire for the deal, then Vilcabamba/Ecuador can be a wonderful place to live. 

And I loved the comment made by someone on this forum to not come to Ecuador with solutions.  Come with an open mind and heart and start working with the local people who have identified what the real problems are and start working with them.  If you attempt to implement a solution without relationship with the community, you simply become one more problem. On our real estate tour, there was a couple who were intending to move here and start a church.  I don't think they ever actually saw Ecuador when they looked out the window of the bus.

Greetings from the beautiful Valley of Longevity in Ecuador and an update on the real estate scene in and around the area.

Vilcabamba and the nearby villages continue to cast their spell on savvy world travellers who recognise a unique location with unusual benefits when they see one. The highly touted health benefits derived from the energy fields of intersecting ley lines seem to bear out the legends.

In talking with many newly relocated gringos I hear stories of increased vigor and decreased aches and pains.

It’s amazing how many people I hear from who have vague plans to move here upon their retirement.  But, like everywhere else in the world where the countryside is beautiful and the living is easy,  progress is inexorable.  So my advice is  “Don´t wait much longer or you will miss the boat”.  Vilcabamba has sprung into the modern age with long awaited cellular service, internet (in most areas)  and several new and excellent restaurants and small businesses. This, of course, means property values are rising though still a bargain by US standards.  No longer is it possible to buy country property for a few thousand dollars a hectare and properties within the town have risen accordingly.

But let me back up a little with the welcome news that beautiful and valuable properties are still available and are expected to continue to rise in value making for an excellent investment. The days of $35,000 homes however are long gone and, to be perfectly blunt, most of the homes in this price range that you may have read about, would not be considered houses in the western sense. In order to inform (and certainly not discourage) let me give you an honest and realistic picture of real estate in the less populated areas of Ecuador.

So many of us look at a stunning piece of property, fall in love with it and set in motion the process of purchase without fully understanding the challenges of living or building in a less developed country than that to which we have been accustomed. There are few paved roads outside of the towns and often only donkey trails to many areas. Picturesque yes, but not so charming in the rainy season or when the novelty of hauling everything (including groceries) on the backs of a 4 legged animal has passed.

Most country dwellings consist of 2 to 3 rooms usually with dirt floors. Again somewhat charming but with the potential to leave you with a lifetime of problems in the rainy season unless everything is well sealed and protected by a sufficiently overhanging roof. There would be no hot water (if any running water at all), no indoor bathroom and often no electricity.

To upgrade these homes to even basic western standards can be relatively expensive and their structure many be insufficiently sophisticated to be able to withstand additional weight or change. Even the most adaptable Westerners prefer comfortable toilet and bathing facilities and I know I am a bear all day if my morning shower is ice cold. So what I am saying is that one must be realistic in figuring the actual cost of a liveable home.

Occasionally a home with all the basic ¨luxuries¨ does come on the market and if the price is fair I always recommend these as a first choice for those wishing to move here with a minimum of unexpected and unbudgeted expense.

The alternative is to buy a nice piece of property and build your own home.  Normally it is considerably cheaper than trying to remodel something that may not be architecturally sound (but keep that original 2 roomer while your home is being built). You will need a secure bodega (storeroom) for your tools and supplies during construction anyway. Of course you will also need a caretaker to live on the property and safeguard your equipment while construction is in progress and, generally speaking, even after you have moved into your new home.

You will appear to be very wealthy to the poor country dwellers here and things have a tendency to disappear from your property overnight if you don´t take sensible precautions especially if you are leaving the area for a few days.

Many folks however, are not planning to actually move here full time, but plan a 2 or 3 month stay each year and would prefer to take advantage of the eternally spring like temps here and avoid the miserable cold of winter back home.

For them a nice place in or very near to, a local town is a much better choice and much easier to find someone to keep an eye on their property while they are gone.

(It’s not easy to find a reliable caretaker to live out in the country in rather isolated circumstances.)

It is possible to spend 3 months a year here on a visitor’s visa without any special visa or legal expenses. Forget the much advertised $1,400 investors visa. It is now very much a thing of the past and to qualify for an investor’s visa you must now be prepared to put up $25,000.There are other attractive visas available for retirees and other classifications and I would be happy to recommend excellent, honest and reliable lawyers in Cuenca who specialize in immigration and customs issues. They also have an English speaking attorney on their team so instructions and information are always crystal clear to the non Spanish speakers. They can take care of all the legalities including title insurance for your purchase so are an invaluable asset should you decide to actually move here to live.

I also recommend that prospective property purchasers look around the general area and not be fixated on Vilcabamba property. There are stunningly beautiful valleys and mountains all over the Loja province.  Pueblos like Malacatos, Taxiche and Landangui are so close to Vilcabamba they share the same health promoting energies but are, generally speaking, spared the hordes of backpackers and noisy revellers that can make peaceful living difficult at times.  Sometimes too, the prices can be a little cheaper.

Bearing in mind all the above and making sensible decisions, I still believe this valley to be one of Natures´ most beautiful and healthy places to live.  I am always glad to help you in your search for the perfect spot however, it is impossible to tell you what is available for sale today and expect it to still be on the market if you are planning your trip weeks in the future. As anywhere else in the world ¨hot properties¨ tend to sell very quickly. Occasionally I hear of something coming up for sale on a certain date and can alert you but be prepared to hop on a plane and hightail it out here or arrange for a lawyer here in Ecuador to have power of attorney to act on your behalf.